tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post2676439767221450959..comments2024-03-15T01:34:45.154-07:00Comments on Chiron: CofV 9: The Group Monkey DanceRoryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08483616030072739190noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-91966889309596907362013-04-22T22:06:21.257-07:002013-04-22T22:06:21.257-07:00I'm just now reading through these (thanks for...I'm just now reading through these (thanks for everything, Rory!), and the discussion of "group muggings for cash" seems a good description of this recent event near where I live:<br /><br />http://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2013/03/blotter-man-beaten-unconscious-by-panhandlers-seattle-u-class-disturbance/<br /><br />It started with a fairly standard request for money, and ended with the victim getting curbstomped.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-43190594659376109152013-03-18T12:41:58.531-07:002013-03-18T12:41:58.531-07:00I've seen that dynamic go both ways.
1. &quo...I've seen that dynamic go both ways. <br /><br />1. " Well, we stomped his ass; let's take his shoes and go through his pockets."<br /><br />2. They get the wallet, then as the older "kids" walk off, the younger guys decide to give a beat down. RXianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11422318102571966643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-13990755894114310562013-03-18T11:54:16.864-07:002013-03-18T11:54:16.864-07:00A group mugging might be a case of the group worki...A group mugging might be a case of the group working together to solve a resource need. It can also be a way to bond and cement membership in the group. "You're one of us now; you can't go to the cops or you'll be arrested, too..." apart from the bonding dynamics Rory already covered.<br /><br />I would personally say that not all group muggings are part of a GMD -- but that any group mugging can very easily become a GMD. Or a chance for some of the less secure members of the group to establish their position and status. And, once a resource-driven group mugging becomes a GMD, the danger involved increases exponentially! All it takes for that to happen is a single member of the group taking it further...Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15393212692342514984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-51651012878242755452013-03-18T07:57:09.612-07:002013-03-18T07:57:09.612-07:00I do believe in the Forrest Gump method, "Run...I do believe in the Forrest Gump method, "Run Forrest, RUN!" :-|Charles Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13812618556413423872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-9084639957413217162013-03-17T10:04:42.829-07:002013-03-17T10:04:42.829-07:00Group muggings on one level are resource predators... Group muggings on one level are resource predators. But on another level there is always the pack dynamic waiting to go off. The mugging could be the pretext to get the hook to trigger something worse, or one of the members could be looking for a rep by doing something crazy.<br /><br />As long as it stays simply about the cash, it wouldn't be filed here... but there is always the potential for this to go very, very bad.Roryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08483616030072739190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-75053953128190731322013-03-17T03:18:51.935-07:002013-03-17T03:18:51.935-07:00The article is as interesting as the rest of the s...The article is as interesting as the rest of the series. However, I stumbled accross this part:<br /><br />"<br />If you become the center of a Group Monkey Dance it is hard to overstate the level of danger. The safest of the variations is the simple group mugging for cash. There’s no value in excessive damage and the bloodier the crime the more it gets investigated. But if any member of the group is insecure and senses a loss of control he will explode into violence. Emotions being contagious, the rest of the group will likely join in."<br /><br />"The safest variation is a group mugging for cash" - why would you even file this under a (group) monkey dance? A mugging done by several people is in my opinion usually still about recources and not about gruop dynamics. I would have considered it as asocial violence commited by a group (for example to be more effective or safer).<br /><br />Obviously a group mugging may go wrong (because the victim acts stupid or a group member escalates for some reasons) and I can see how the result could be a group monkey dance. <br /><br />But why should every group mugging be a group monkey dance? Did I missunderstand you or am I missing something?Thomas M.noreply@blogger.com