tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post4151750197579779617..comments2024-03-28T03:31:42.278-07:00Comments on Chiron: Agency and InterdependenceRoryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08483616030072739190noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-51915479556587640092017-03-27T19:13:41.816-07:002017-03-27T19:13:41.816-07:00Voluntary Association. Should ve be adle to choose...Voluntary Association. Should ve be adle to choose who we are interdependent with.<br /><br />Duty and obligations? And how do we incure them. This all "Natural Rights" are.<br /><br />Negative and Positive Rights.<br /><br />What do we mean when we use the words and labkes we do?<br /><br />I'm finding I'm arguing definitions and principles with people, or trying to when people just want to argue lables.<br /><br />It's hard because the lavels mean different things to different people. But most people just assume that the other guy means and is ussing the label as they would. A true conversation must start with building a common defimitional library of understang if not all you will ve doing is talking past each other.Josh Kruschkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288700371539530398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-57234183496392728312017-02-23T04:49:59.402-08:002017-02-23T04:49:59.402-08:00Anon 1- totally want to get into a discussion of s...Anon 1- totally want to get into a discussion of spelling in languages that don't have a written language. We'll skip that, As to your quote, in the last month I've played at geology, botany, ecology, used the skills of veterinarian technician, been a critic (of many things), medic, counselor, carpenter, farmer, teacher and writer. And did so without losing my means of livelihood. Marx said a lot of stuff that is palpably false. I'm far more disturbed that someone (anonymously, of course) would present something that personal experience contradicts every day as some kind of evidence. _Unless_ I'm completely misinterpreting (I do assume anonymity as a sign of confrontation + fear i comments) and you were deliberately presenting this quote as something obviously wrong and backing u my statements? That's a sincere possibility, BTW.<br /><br />Anon 2- That would be a long, interesting talk. We'd have to establish definitions-- of the political systems versus the political philosophy, versus the economic system implied or usually accrued, and distinguish between individuals living from a philosophy and states. Way more than I have time to type. The one I can't let slide, though: "state run capitalism" is an oxymoron. If the state is running it, it's corporatism, not capitalism. <br />I have high hopes for Rojava.Roryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08483616030072739190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-12712636878943875202017-02-23T00:17:22.353-08:002017-02-23T00:17:22.353-08:00Great theory... where is it or has it been put in ...Great theory... where is it or has it been put in to practice in the form in a lasting form?<br />The European Historical Combat Guildhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02425115205496881300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-63928173316901082652017-02-23T00:14:56.749-08:002017-02-23T00:14:56.749-08:00Says the person responding anonymously... ;)
Says the person responding anonymously... ;) <br />The European Historical Combat Guildhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02425115205496881300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-62926153740817153292017-02-22T17:36:42.568-08:002017-02-22T17:36:42.568-08:00With well thought out counter examples like the ab...With well thought out counter examples like the above, it's all the more unfortunate that Rory has settled in to his "mask standard LEO political arguments with vague language" pattern of blog posts. <br /><br />Everything after the return "maybe my thinking is impaired by my many, many concussions" post is like a case study in how a lack of precise language makes claims unfalsifiable (i.e., meaningless).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-45770870576517561702017-02-22T11:51:21.860-08:002017-02-22T11:51:21.860-08:00"You can look at the collectivist movements (..."You can look at the collectivist movements (socialism, communism, fascism) as attempts to force a tribal level of interdependence from the top down."<br /><br />I think non-state communists, socialists, and others would argue that what you're describing is state run capitalism. It's possible to have non-state horizontally structured means of production. There aren't very many examples historically, in part because state (capitalist) entities (including USSR) have crushed them. Some that come to mind would be the anarchist collectives during the Spanish Revolution, maybe the Paris Commune, Free Territory. Some more recent examples include Rojava and Chiapas. Regarding socialism, to many socialists socialism essentially means worker owned means of production, and doesn't really have anything to do with the state. For examples of this taking place within capitalist societies you could look at Worker Self-Directed Enterprises. One of the largest and most successful corporations in Spain is the Mondragon Corporation, which is worker owned and run. <br /><br />None of these examples provided have anything to do with interdependence from the top down, they're entirely about from the bottom up. <br /><br />Anyways I enjoy your thoughtful blog posts, if you feel like responding I'm interested in what you think.<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-75335713265778280352017-02-22T11:33:54.382-08:002017-02-22T11:33:54.382-08:00It's Lipan, not Lippan. Your Tom Brown Jr. inf...It's Lipan, not Lippan. Your Tom Brown Jr. influence is strong.<br /><br />From the German Ideology by Karl Marx:<br /><br />"And finally, the division of labour offers us the first example of how, as long as man remains in natural society, that is, as long as a cleavage exists between the particular and the common interest, as long, therefore, as activity is not voluntarily, but naturally, divided, man’s own deed becomes an alien power opposed to him, which enslaves him instead of being controlled by him. For as soon as the distribution of labour comes into being, each man has a particular, exclusive sphere of activity, which is forced upon him and from which he cannot escape. He is a hunter, a fisherman, a herdsman, or a critical critic, and must remain so if he does not want to lose his means of livelihood; while in communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic. This fixation of social activity, this consolidation of what we ourselves produce into an objective power above us, growing out of our control, thwarting our expectations, bringing to naught our calculations, is one of the chief factors in historical development up till now."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-77256780325773085832017-02-22T11:23:55.686-08:002017-02-22T11:23:55.686-08:00
This:
http://www.econlib.org/library/Essays/rdP...<br /><br />This:<br /><br />http://www.econlib.org/library/Essays/rdPncl1.htmlMr Ecksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-83808091862685893802017-02-22T07:40:00.691-08:002017-02-22T07:40:00.691-08:00Asian cultures display a healthy version of interd...Asian cultures display a healthy version of interdependence. They understand that their actions affect not only them as individuals, but their loved ones as well.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15519274512871033525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-80459913245544335032017-02-21T16:14:26.687-08:002017-02-21T16:14:26.687-08:00Thank you.Thank you.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17842123561228608863noreply@blogger.com