tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post8808227791877769547..comments2024-03-15T01:34:45.154-07:00Comments on Chiron: Intel, Influence, ControlRoryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08483616030072739190noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-60754158400617555752013-11-04T01:08:25.229-08:002013-11-04T01:08:25.229-08:00Sometimes I realy don't like you Rory.
For th...Sometimes I realy don't like you Rory.<br /><br />For the simple fact I'll be working through something, stumbling along trying to make sense of something, to be able to articulate to myself and others, and you go and write something that ties it all together in a nice bow.<br /><br />Bastard!<br /><br />:-)Josh Kruschkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288700371539530398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-33083790253623664492013-11-03T11:46:29.753-08:002013-11-03T11:46:29.753-08:00I see there being enough of a difference in intent...I see there being enough of a difference in intent and application to make a distinction between Influence and Control. There is a broad spectrum within each as it is, if they were lumped together I would say they would be too vagueThe European Historical Combat Guildhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02425115205496881300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-57971869451517555482013-11-03T10:12:30.432-08:002013-11-03T10:12:30.432-08:00It's a fair point that you had better always b...It's a fair point that you had better always be paying attention in relationships, but I think that's a truism of the world and not just relationships. <br /><br />If you want to make definitions broad, why separate influence and control? They're on a spectrum of one type of behavior, which is behavior to affect the world around you and also something you are doing all the time, even without thinking, as you say. In addition, control is kind of illusory. I may think I'm controlling something or someone, but outside myself there is very little I can control absolutely. I may influence more strongly or less strongly. My choke hold victim may have a knife I didn't observe, my bullet's target may have a vest.<br /><br />There is observation of the effect the world is having on you, and of the effect you have on the world, and there is action upon the world. You should always either be acting or observing, and hopefully doing both consciously.<br /><br />I like the concepts, maybe I would just formulate them differently. When I read the post initially, I took a narrower view of each verb; broader, I think you only need two. Just my opinion :).Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02626717984053044593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-23450404253936889032013-11-03T08:18:01.847-08:002013-11-03T08:18:01.847-08:00Not really, Lisa. Even with K, I'm watching a...Not really, Lisa. Even with K, I'm watching and listening to her, gathering intel about her moods. I think when people in a relationship quit doing this is when they begin to take each other for granted and that is the beginning of the end. She's typing right now, and that is my signal not to interrupt. She is influencing me. And if I wanted attention I would get it, influencing her. If I was communicating with her with no intention of her being influenced, I'd be talking at her, not to her, like talking at a rock.<br />The only way not to influence another human being is not to interact.Roryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08483616030072739190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-2348038488542810462013-11-03T07:08:51.358-08:002013-11-03T07:08:51.358-08:00Hrmgh. I want to demur and say that there are tim...Hrmgh. I want to demur and say that there are times when I'm with family and close friends that my purpose is none of these, but rather a continuous affirmation of the friendship/family bond. I don't see any of those actions in that relationship establishment, except possibly influence, but the "I'm ok, you're ok, we're all ok" motive trumps that, I think. <br /><br />I agree that intel-influence-control is what's going on with new people as you are determining hierarchy, with all prior acquaintances occasionally and with some prior acquaintances continually, but don't you you spend a significant amount of time with Kami just being?Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02626717984053044593noreply@blogger.com