tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post115587591480581924..comments2024-03-27T00:33:30.832-07:00Comments on Chiron: Stoic Emotion and Righteous IndignationRoryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08483616030072739190noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-1156783497381045582006-08-28T09:44:00.000-07:002006-08-28T09:44:00.000-07:00Exactly--we filter the other through ourselves. I...Exactly--we filter the other through ourselves. I know I'm limited by where I stand to perceive the other.Kai Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13319136737099550784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-1156137682807174792006-08-20T22:21:00.000-07:002006-08-20T22:21:00.000-07:00Hey Kevin, I know that wasn't on your mind. It pop...Hey Kevin, I know that wasn't on your mind. It popped (semi) randomly into mine. Like Kai said, it reflected much more on me than you.Kamihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00531243633193697440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-1156083204344010402006-08-20T07:13:00.000-07:002006-08-20T07:13:00.000-07:00Kami, that's one of the advantages and disadvantag...Kami, that's one of the advantages and disadvantages of living in Japan over the past decade and a half. I'm not exposed to those sorts of cliches, so they don't enter into my thinking. You know homophobic nihilism was not what I meant.The Moody Minstrelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16342935635794595909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-1156014580826638762006-08-19T12:09:00.000-07:002006-08-19T12:09:00.000-07:00"The emotion is a story we tell ourselves" - that ..."The emotion is a story we tell ourselves" - that is freakin' cool. By having a place to stand - an 'unchanging view' then we can feel emotions (not control them) not be bound by them, not identify with them but with the reality of the situation. Because emotions tend to turn us inward (a good thing sometimes) but reduce our outward attention (can be a bad thing).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-1156003332478232522006-08-19T09:02:00.000-07:002006-08-19T09:02:00.000-07:00It's fascinating to compare what different people ...It's fascinating to compare what different people get out of what you write. The insight is to their character, not your writing.Kai Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13319136737099550784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-1155997615399517322006-08-19T07:26:00.000-07:002006-08-19T07:26:00.000-07:00The first thing that came into mind when you wrote...The first thing that came into mind when you wrote 'just plain wrong,' Kevin wasn't about compassion, it was what I've heard men say about gay men a *lot*, so much that's it's become cliche'.Kamihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00531243633193697440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-1155992193321589052006-08-19T05:56:00.000-07:002006-08-19T05:56:00.000-07:00As someone for whom emotions have always been a pr...As someone for whom emotions have always been a primary source of power and motivation (and whose emotions have always tended to be on a hair trigger), I'm not sure how to react to all of that.<BR/><BR/>Actually, I've always believed there are two different levels of emotion. The hormone cascade thing you describe is what I would call primitive or animal emotions. It's what William Gibson would call a "meat thing". You have an instinctive physical reaction to stimuli, and you have either an instinctive or conditioned psychological response to it. However, there is also higher emotion, and it's much harder to define. Actually, I think you gave a very good example: our inner sense of right and wrong.<BR/><BR/>We feel that something is "just plain wrong". Why is it wrong? We don't know. There is no concrete, logical, factual reason why it should be. In fact, if we think only in terms of cause and effect, the matter in question might actually make sense. However, we still feel it's wrong. That's higher emotion at work. It's not a "meat thing". It's in the core of our being, and we actually have to be educated not to acknowledge it (as the 9/11 terrorists are said to have been psychologically conditioned not to feel pity or compassion for their victims).The Moody Minstrelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16342935635794595909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-1155950902691224042006-08-18T18:28:00.000-07:002006-08-18T18:28:00.000-07:00NLP (neuro-linguistic programming) uses the distin...NLP (neuro-linguistic programming) uses the distinction you make between the hormone cascade and the story you tell yourself. They talk about reframing your reactions to situations; telling yourself that sweaty palms and quick breathing means "I'm excited" rather than "I'm scared." Framing your reaction as excitement rather than fear can give you access to a lot more (and better) responses to the situation.<BR/><BR/>MarkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-1155907140283151042006-08-18T06:19:00.000-07:002006-08-18T06:19:00.000-07:00All yeah.Sometimes the hormone cascade starts, and...All yeah.<BR/><BR/>Sometimes the hormone cascade starts, and I feel uncomfortable because I don't have any event to attach an emotion to. I think of them as false starts. <BR/><BR/>I read Gavin de Becker's The Gift of Fear recently--parts of which are positively awful, but parts of which are true and helpful.Kai Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13319136737099550784noreply@blogger.com