tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post2099603270450181896..comments2024-03-28T03:31:42.278-07:00Comments on Chiron: Drills, Free Play and ScenariosRoryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08483616030072739190noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-84633484188658488322010-01-12T11:04:20.568-08:002010-01-12T11:04:20.568-08:00jks9199: Makes perfect sense. When training LEOs ...jks9199: Makes perfect sense. When training LEOs you have an external rule set dictated by the law enforcement agency--it's probably mostly political and it doesn't have to make sense, you just have to follow it (and hope to train your students to survive by accident, or by secretly injecting the stuff that will help them survive). Martial artists who have as part of the goals the survival of real world violence have to balance their desire to learn that skill with any desire they have to just play, or to compete (which may have its own rules).Kai Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13319136737099550784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-12169512063910650472010-01-12T10:31:26.866-08:002010-01-12T10:31:26.866-08:00Thanks, Rory; that's a good test: Is it wrong...Thanks, Rory; that's a good test: Is it wrong because I didn't think of it or it ruined my plan -- or is it wrong because it's unsafe or dangerous?<br /><br />Kai, I do both. I teach a martial arts class (with an eye towards reality, but recognizing that many of my students are never going to approach the real deal) -- but I'm also a LE trainer. My approach depends on who I'm training... and why.jks9199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-78640825127090700282010-01-11T15:19:49.004-08:002010-01-11T15:19:49.004-08:00Jim- Check your ego just means check your ego. If...Jim- Check your ego just means check your ego. If a student successfully completes a scenario by going off the reservation, lots of instructor's first reaction is emotional: because they never thought of it, many instructors have an instinct to find something wrong.<br /><br />So, you get a twinge, check your ego. If the solution was good but something you never thought of, the twinge is all ego and the kid should get some praise. If the twinge is because the student ignored a training rule, it might be because the rule was tactically stupid (at PLDC they discounted one of my scenarios because instead of doing a frontal assault on the MG nest, which was what they were evaluating, I circled and came through the abandoned structures behind them) and put in for the ease of the instructor. If so, ego-- and you take another look at your rules to make sure they aren't too arbitrary or subconsciously pushing the student into a mold you have chose. If, OTOH, it was a safety rule or something that could get the rookie killed or sued, then it's not ego. And sometimes the rookie does something so breath-takingly stupid that it works because everyone is shocked. Recognizing that isn't ego either.<br /><br />But, if there's no time pressure, always take a second to double-check yourself when you have a "That was wrong!" reaction to something that worked.Roryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08483616030072739190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-78806033591869621592010-01-11T09:49:58.841-08:002010-01-11T09:49:58.841-08:00jks9199: I suppose how you respond depends on the ...jks9199: I suppose how you respond depends on the goal. If you're teaching people to survive real-world assaults, anything that works, WORKS. You might discuss the safety concerns for practice sessions but only after praising the technique that worked. If you're teaching people to play a sport that has no real-world applications, then you'd focus on the inappropriateness of the technique.Kai Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13319136737099550784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-73299386397710588692010-01-10T12:24:25.565-08:002010-01-10T12:24:25.565-08:00"If you ever, as an instructor, catch yoursel..."If you ever, as an instructor, catch yourself telling a student they did something incorrectly that worked, give your ego a double-check."<br /><br />Question: Student does do something that works... but violated key safety principles or key principles and it only worked either by dumb luck or unrealistic surprise (partner expecting one sort of movement, and just dumbfounded when student did something completely off the wall... like kissed him full on the lips). How do you handle that?<br /><br />I know I've often used variants of "Well... that worked, but let's figure out what else might have been done..." Any other ideas?jks9199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-9381583119754728802010-01-10T11:51:49.792-08:002010-01-10T11:51:49.792-08:00Dear Rory,
Another post that applies to so much.
...Dear Rory,<br />Another post that applies to so much. <br />Sincerely yours,<br />Ann T.Ann T.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11128699035211561119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-51652603293675617892010-01-09T20:04:40.716-08:002010-01-09T20:04:40.716-08:00Good scenario training or force-on-force training ...Good scenario training or force-on-force training is vanishingly rare, it often seems. Too often, trainers get stuck in a win/lose mindset and use the advantage of controlling the game to make it unwinnable or to kill all the trainees... Nobody really wants to learn how to conduct this sort of training. (I only claim an inkling... I'd love to get sent to some of the train-the-trainer programs.)<br /><br />In martial arts training halls, it gets even worse. They tend to start with unrealistic attacks or scenarios in the first place, and then encourage movie/fantasy responses.jks9199noreply@blogger.com