tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post4736120736710772578..comments2024-03-28T03:31:42.278-07:00Comments on Chiron: Heroes and WarriorsRoryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08483616030072739190noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-46503423643000404352011-01-25T02:30:39.608-08:002011-01-25T02:30:39.608-08:00My point was simply that people in the sporting wo...My point was simply that people in the sporting world use the words "hero" and "warrior" all the time (in Europe anyway).Jonnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09619262311921031110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-9528909033437440702011-01-21T12:29:31.770-08:002011-01-21T12:29:31.770-08:00J- Fortitude is a nice distinction.
Jonny- Sports,...J- Fortitude is a nice distinction.<br />Jonny- Sports, media... I don't get it. Games. Bread and circuses...<br />Joshkie (lot's of Js today) Interesting, related thing: the concept of honor has really changed over time. That's a long talk over beer.<br />Kai- It's definitely an identity question... so I'm probably defining myself outside of these categories so I have an unreachable ideal?<br />Swallowtail: One thing I tell rookies is that there are a ton of things that are cool to have done that suck to do. People that seek to be heroes have a tendency to get innocent people killed.<br />Ferran- It seems that like religion and other things people want to wrap the definition around what they want. Kickin ass? Cool! Following orders? Bummer... so they define a warrior as autonomous or some such bullshit. To discuss it without a touchstone you'd really need to know your own delusions.<br />KK- Always good to see you here.Roryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08483616030072739190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-78424991760654467372011-01-21T10:04:49.517-08:002011-01-21T10:04:49.517-08:00My initial response is to recoil and withdraw from...My initial response is to recoil and withdraw from such discussions. It is painful for me to hear someone call themselves a hero or warrior.<br /><br />You'd have to be out of your damn mind to pray to be in a position that could lead to people calling you a warrior or hero. Be careful what you wish for because it might just happen---and you flub it. <br /><br />People I view to be heroic (what are you when you perform one heroic deed and after that you become a slacker---what are you ?)<br /><br />These people are very uncomfortable "talking" about such things. <br /><br />I'd like to add that people that "meet the criteria" are also willing to die in the process of saving innocent people without even a possibility that anyone will know s/he saved those lives. <br /><br />I think the term "guardian" might have a place in this discussion.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13488651885429977320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-34971422142720860382011-01-21T05:12:23.045-08:002011-01-21T05:12:23.045-08:00Couple of things, while generally agreeing:
I thi...Couple of things, while generally agreeing:<br /><br />I think you actually _can_ discuss "warriorship" [ergh!] without being a warrior. As long as you don't try to convince yourself you're one and start from the right premises (NOT being one, the very first one). It'll involve a lot of listening, of course, and many people simply don't have the... patience.<br /><br />Your point might be better understood, also, if you mentioned "fighters". Calling an ER doctor a warrior is stretching things a bit, but calling him a fighter might be spot on. I'd say that many survivors learn to fight (not only how, but also when).<br /><br />And, then, and last: I might not want the SITUATION that allows/requires me to try heroics to happen, but IF IT DOES then, frankly, better myself than some idiots out there. I'm kind of cheating, here, because, for example, if you're in there, then that situation won't happen (it won't require me, nor are you likely to allow so). "You" being kinda generic, kinda not.<br /><br />Take care.<br /><br />Ferranshugyoshahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04437800091500543886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-55350343128888871552011-01-20T23:00:44.950-08:002011-01-20T23:00:44.950-08:00I have a difficult time respecting people who '...I have a difficult time respecting people who 'desire' to be a hero. I think heroism happens to people whether they want it to happen or not, the "Oh crap" moment, when you have to make a decision you know you don't want to make but you know you MUST make. <br /><br />Heroism is not "Yay for someone is suffering and I can go save them". <br /><br />Like the concept of courage. There's a monster in the darkness, and you have to go down and face it, whether you want to or not, and you're terrified of the monster, but you're going down there anyway. <br /><br />What was that old adage, about how a real hero is the one who saves someone and remains in anonymity? I like that saying. More people should take it to heart.Elinorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04426192939444568010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-74001141786683853922011-01-20T09:13:30.770-08:002011-01-20T09:13:30.770-08:00This is an identity question; it makes perfect sen...This is an identity question; it makes perfect sense that people who have been called heroes would want to narrowly define the term so it means they're more unusual. But that's not how we use language, nor how we define identity as a society. Like most words in English, "hero" has more than one meaning and is context-dependent. It can mean an inspirational figure, such as "Adam S. Baldwin is one of my heroes because even though he's a Hollywood actor, he stands up for his conservative beliefs." <br /><br />I consider that I have demonstrated heroism, because I put my safety between other victims and a violent predator--but I was only 12 at the time, and I did not choose to make it my profession, and none of that lessens my heroism. <br /><br />A mother who works three jobs to feed her children is a hero. I consider that lots of self-sacrifice to another's benefit, not only willingly risking injury or loss of one's life, counts as heroism.Kai Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13319136737099550784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-68838823195333675442011-01-20T02:21:22.701-08:002011-01-20T02:21:22.701-08:00Correction -
"It is in response to this ques...Correction -<br /><br />"It is in response to this question, " would we do the same thing in their shoes?"<br /><br />:-)<br />JoshJosh Kruschkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288700371539530398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-33485705953303521332011-01-20T02:17:28.648-08:002011-01-20T02:17:28.648-08:00I would also like to add that hero is bestowed on ...I would also like to add that hero is bestowed on someone. It's not something you can instill in yourself and is something you are not going to even realize was in you till it happens. <br /><br />I bet if you asked everysingle person that's ever been labeled a hero if they consider what they did hero worthy they would answer in the negative. And that to me is part of it. <br /><br />To me a warior is any one who makes war, and it can be for any any reason. A soldier is one who is part of a larger group that fights as a unit; as does it for money or a cause. A fighter fights. These are just labels other or we put on people to describe or try to understand the actions they take. <br /><br />It is in response to this question, " would we do they something in their shoes?"<br /><br />Just some thoughts,<br />JoshJosh Kruschkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288700371539530398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-10497716947360078632011-01-20T01:05:48.694-08:002011-01-20T01:05:48.694-08:00There was a radio discussion one night here in Ire...There was a radio discussion one night here in Ireland about the use of the word "hero" in sports. People were arguing that people who face adversity on the football/rubgy and gaelic sports fields are heroes. When others said they were not (for the reasons you are saying) they were verbally shot down and said the word can also relate to such things as sport. They were run off the airwaves for their semantics.<br /><br />All I can say is I've never been comfortable with the term "hero" or "warrior" outside of the uses Rory is stating here. I am neither and I've gotten over it.Jonnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09619262311921031110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-11561065910205084662011-01-19T14:53:14.407-08:002011-01-19T14:53:14.407-08:00I agree that this is one of those overused words t...I agree that this is one of those overused words that gets tossed around too easily. I think that sometimes when people refer to heroism they are really talking about fortitude. As you pointed out, sometimes people show great courage in facing adversity but they did not choose to be in that situation. The courage to choose action and the courage to endure hardship aren't really the same thing though both are virtues. Maybe that's a little semantic but it seems like a real distinction.<br /><br />Since most of us don't earn our daily bread by putting ourselves in harm's way we probably need to focus on building our fortitude. We're more likely to need that than any heroic quality.<br /><br />I think its also valid to say that the heroic act involves risk of life. I can take action in the business world but no matter how tough the audience I can say I've never made a heroic presentation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-30527723676949705722011-01-19T08:52:49.804-08:002011-01-19T08:52:49.804-08:00And many other four-letter words as well. That wa...And many other four-letter words as well. That was the sergeant's point. 'Hero' is not a compliment in certain circles.Roryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08483616030072739190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-89803941426583697352011-01-19T06:56:34.298-08:002011-01-19T06:56:34.298-08:00So, by your drill sergeant's definition, Flash...So, by your drill sergeant's definition, Flashman really was a hero. :)<br /><br />EricEric Parsonshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08440343265685992640noreply@blogger.com