tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post5471450683160988168..comments2024-03-28T03:31:42.278-07:00Comments on Chiron: The First 3 to 5Roryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08483616030072739190noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-3913581764892666672012-02-10T14:23:51.172-08:002012-02-10T14:23:51.172-08:00A realistic portrayal of what people can expect in...A realistic portrayal of what people can expect in real encounters. Thanks as always for your sage words. :)Lori (Jiu-jitsu Sensei Martial Arts/Self-Defense Blog)http://pacificwavejiujitsu.com/blog/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-43742393258759369742012-02-07T05:24:47.780-08:002012-02-07T05:24:47.780-08:00Self-Defense is “recovery from stupidity or bad lu...Self-Defense is “recovery from stupidity or bad luck, from finding yourself in a position you would have given almost anything to prevent.” – Rory Miller in Meditations on Violence. It also includes preventing the situation.<br /><br />There is no proficiency without self-control, self-mastery. That would be a good start. Otherwise, you have a physically conditioned athlete getting into lots of fights for all the wrong reasons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-21180850078453347032012-02-07T05:24:07.670-08:002012-02-07T05:24:07.670-08:00Self-Defense is “recovery from stupidity or bad lu...Self-Defense is “recovery from stupidity or bad luck, from finding yourself in a position you would have given almost anything to prevent.” – Rory Miller in Meditations on Violence. It also includes preventing the situation.<br /><br />There is no proficiency without self-control, self-mastery. That would be a good start. Otherwise, you have a physically conditioned athlete getting into lots of fights for all the wrong reasons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-12920304191212986092012-02-06T14:52:36.213-08:002012-02-06T14:52:36.213-08:00Really how much of winning or just surviving a fig...Really how much of winning or just surviving a fight is jusy not loosing or dying. Not just luck, but not quitting.<br /><br />As Kai says, flipped, when does the mental energy of supressing our rage, become a determent to our surviving, or just getting us to the point of being able to survive. <br /><br />Let's put it this way. People talk about flipping the switch, but what is on the other side? I say rage... controlled, focused do what ever it takes... Rage!!! <br />And who says flipping the swich off has to be any harder than flipping it on?<br /><br />Rory is that to simple. Is everything else just what we tell ourselves at night, so we can sleep? That I actualy had a reason for doing what I need to do to survive.... <br /><br />http://www.wimsblog.com/2012/01/why-the-untrained-fighter-kicks-your-highly-trained-butt/<br /><br />http://www.wimsblog.com/2011/08/martial-intent-what-it-really-looks-like/<br /><br />http://www.wimsblog.com/2011/06/sanshou-training-the-old-guy-against-the-young-guys/<br /><br />Some of Wims post that got me thinking...<br /><br />What should the goal be when training self-defence? <br /><br />Effectiveness, mastery of chaos or something else.<br /><br />PS. The more I look at SD laws, the more I find they muddy the water, and cause you to gamble with your life. I digress though.Josh Kruschkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288700371539530398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-75528033682081882442012-02-06T06:21:15.381-08:002012-02-06T06:21:15.381-08:00Anger motivates people. Thus allowing them to temp...Anger motivates people. Thus allowing them to temporarily unshackle themselves from social conditioning and fear of social consequences. It makes them want something enough, to generate the motivation and intent to "get it done". Which is important in H2H slaughter houses. Just having the intent to pull that trigger is one thing. Having the intent to fatally stab someone, even if it takes NINETYSIX stabs, is quite another. Quite another.<br /><br />Anger or rage is an external shortcut and equivalence booster that can temporarily place a normal socialized civilian on par, momentarily, with psychotic serial killers and murderers. Temporarily. But they still lack experience and control, so it only gives them maybe a 25% boost in odds.<br /><br />A person that no longer needs anger or rage to supplement their motivation can instantly generate the intent to kill when necessary, via a combination of internal mental conditioning, training, experience, and so on.<br /><br />Rage takes time. Anger takes time to work. Even adrenaline takes time, though fear is the shortest external bio chemical injection in terms of feedback length. But the activation of manual intent is the fastest of all.<br /><br />It goes from A (see threat) to B (eliminate threat). There is no (wait for fear). There is no (wait for adrenaline to pump). There is no (wait for rage to give us intent, then use intent to harm). There is no delay, no lag, except neural lag between the command from the brain, the spine, and the muscles in the body.<br /><br />Like all external shortcuts, it's convenient for people lacking anything better. It's like a microwave and a dishwasher. Use it if you must, but never misunderstand that what you are using is somebody else's power given to you, it wasn't your skills to begin with. You cannot reverse engineer it. You cannot even fix it. You can use it though, easily. Fixing microwaves and appliances, require greater knowledge and skill. Same for fighting.Ymar Sakarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-11684052609905324122012-02-06T05:03:49.823-08:002012-02-06T05:03:49.823-08:00Question what is the difference between passion an...Question what is the difference between passion and rage?Josh Kruschkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288700371539530398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-57423498963366560612012-02-06T04:50:28.207-08:002012-02-06T04:50:28.207-08:00PS. PS. But this now comes into conflict with Conf...PS. PS. But this now comes into conflict with Conflict Communication. Or does it?<br /><br />Hmmm...Josh Kruschkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288700371539530398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-47062191592376119602012-02-06T03:31:21.372-08:002012-02-06T03:31:21.372-08:00PS.There has been many a time rage has got
me off ...PS.There has been many a time rage has got<br />me off my ass and doing something. Rage is only destructive if not focused on a positve, but I guess that is what you mean by righteous. Why can't rage be managed and treated like any other skill. Is it because martial artist train and focused on being calm (Maybe this is not a realistic expectation?) instead learning to ride the storm?<br /><br />Instead of fighting the adrenal fight response why not learn to use it? Maybe that was the secret of the berserkers of yor. <br /><br />Hmmm...Josh Kruschkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288700371539530398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-37827566336694311392012-02-06T02:59:31.276-08:002012-02-06T02:59:31.276-08:00Why are we treating rage as not natural? Fight, Fl...Why are we treating rage as not natural? <b>Fight</b>, Flight or Freeze all hind brain. What is the trigger for fight?<br /><br />Hmmm...Josh Kruschkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288700371539530398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-35044959334532036082012-02-05T18:06:08.665-08:002012-02-05T18:06:08.665-08:00What is the ROI timeline for training, then? If u...What is the ROI timeline for training, then? If untrained rage gives a bonus, how long do you have to train to have the bonuses of training overcome the loss of the untrained rage bonus?Kai Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13319136737099550784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-68787274267123173362012-02-05T14:00:22.974-08:002012-02-05T14:00:22.974-08:00Dumb as hell reason to die for, in my view.
If so...Dumb as hell reason to die for, in my view.<br /><br />If someone wants to die over an argument, at least let it be an argument over patriotism or politics.<br /><br />As for rage, it's a short cut like getting drunk for drunken boxing. Drunks don't get injured as often as their victims... because they are relaxed and can absorb a lot of trauma before things break. So often times martial artists that trained hard and external, would use alcohol to loosen some of their muscles up, like a pain killer as well, and be able to express better power and be able to take more damage. Still a shortcut though, as the internal martial artists spent decades mastering their muscle control to do the same thing, without getting drunk.<br /><br />Oh well, that's my interpretation of it at least. It could have happened differently. Although gong fu imitated animals, so why wouldn't they imitate drunks...<br /><br />Rage is an external shortcut in that it provides people brief bursts of power, pain resistance, and what not. Something civilians normally are unaware of before tapping into.<br /><br />But a rational mind can sometimes harness rage and temper it into a cold version. Through hard work.<br /><br />Your description of the importance of instinct I believe is critical. Although not something well advertised, because it would make people have less faith in their training.Ymar Sakarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-83549998942382084472012-02-05T10:53:22.261-08:002012-02-05T10:53:22.261-08:00Lifelong Chicago resident here, and reader of your...Lifelong Chicago resident here, and reader of your blog. A recent story taking place in nearby suburban Naperville caught my eye and invoked some of the lessons that you have taught both in this post and in others. <br /><br />http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-man-held-on-3-million-in-fatal-stabbing-at-naperville-bar-20120205,0,4821776.story<br /><br />A lot of stuff on the table here. Monkey dancing, identity, face-saving, etc. Just something for people to think about, especially in the context of this blog and your posts. <br /><br />-SheridanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com