tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post5701357975335270380..comments2024-03-28T03:31:42.278-07:00Comments on Chiron: Most of the TimeRoryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08483616030072739190noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-85842886584322644722009-01-03T12:56:00.000-08:002009-01-03T12:56:00.000-08:00I thing I have noticed. In group therapy. Mixed (s...I thing I have noticed. In group therapy. Mixed (social) group settings. And most particularly on internetz and such. <BR/><BR/>A lot of the time people seem to be expressing themselves and not...anything else really.<BR/><BR/>If they are talking about how you don't respect "traditional" training or styles (whatever the fuck those are (to them))then it's just them expressing how they feel. It doesn't even have to do with them feeling that you don't respect that kind of training.<BR/><BR/>More like an assertion of their own identity\values than actually grinding an ax. <BR/><BR/>I think the liberal\conservative divide is a great example. Most of the time it's a chance to talk about what they believe about an issue, not to actually talk about the issue you understand, just *what *they* believe* about it. <BR/><BR/>Don't know if that makes any sense, or relates, but I think there is this issue of talking past each other which often occurs for this reason. Each side thinks the other side is constructing a valid argument, when in fact each side is simply asserting their personal identity, and thus...no real communication is occurring. Particularly once an emotional triggering threshold has been reached.Master Planhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14699687565908188376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-37900085463592575562009-01-02T21:57:00.000-08:002009-01-02T21:57:00.000-08:00Jay- the thing with Ueshiba is that everyone remem...Jay- the thing with Ueshiba is that everyone remembers the sweet old man and not the vicious, effective young man. And I'm not talking about Ueshiba (or Po), I'm talking about the students who blind themselves to the dark/hard aspects of that level.<BR/><BR/>Anon- Yeah, you're rambling. But you see it.<BR/><BR/>Irene- One of the things with deep integration is that conscious or cognition is not the same as most people understand it. The voices in the head weighing options and telling you what is and isn't right and what your mother would think are gone. It takes work to communicate in words because you don't really think in them- so it is a conscious decision, in many ways more conscious than one that has been agonized over, but very, very fast; not always easy to understand to anyone else; and often not tied to words.<BR/>People sense that you think differently- different=unpredictable=scary and tend to get very weird, which may be why so many either avoid people altogether or cultivate a stereotyped peaceful, loving exterior.<BR/><BR/>Just thinking out loud, sillRoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08483616030072739190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-75517798416107134772009-01-02T18:34:00.000-08:002009-01-02T18:34:00.000-08:00Rory, have you observed that true MA 'masters' hav...Rory, have you observed that true MA 'masters' have that switch so internalized that it is innate, not a conscious switch? I would think that once those behaviors have become truly internalized, it could become difficult, or impossible, not to use them. This is part of what makes people at that level so dangerous - if presented with a threat they may react physically before the higher-order cognitive functions have a chance to kick in. It's not exactly a issue of intent or capability, but more an issue of 'what action is this person likely to perform in response to a perceived threat'.Irenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10812044801600397800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-60792068946879222262009-01-02T14:08:00.000-08:002009-01-02T14:08:00.000-08:00Folks will percieve this differently.blue jeans sa...Folks will percieve this differently.blue jeans samurai.....master Po?....it is really too big a subject to let folks dwell on.and it is all based upon your life experiences .and for martial artists ...your expectations...but I'm rambling..and it's your blog.........Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-76586574845798717222009-01-02T09:01:00.000-08:002009-01-02T09:01:00.000-08:00I have heard stories of a man named Lono Ancho, a ...I have heard stories of a man named Lono Ancho, a Vietnam Vet, and martial artist. I am told that most of the time he was very warm, friendly, and outgoing, but that once, in class, he "turned on" with the words, "I could kill every one of you on the spot." It was felt, and understood. It was meant as a demonstration of what I would call "intent to kill". <BR/><BR/>I've seen other sources, including your writings, Rory, that convince me that such intent is quite real, and immediately perceived. <BR/><BR/>I don't think the ability to turn that intent on or off at will is unrelated to gentle master Po at all. I think it's part and parcel of the harmony sought by Ueshiba.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com