tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post6010834808489967906..comments2024-03-28T03:31:42.278-07:00Comments on Chiron: Principles and DrillsRoryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08483616030072739190noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-67531311960887229392016-08-09T16:05:59.196-07:002016-08-09T16:05:59.196-07:00I'm looking forward to try the chi sao thing a...I'm looking forward to try the chi sao thing at training next time :DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-30877701049997835642009-01-17T18:21:00.000-08:002009-01-17T18:21:00.000-08:00Of course you should post the Freeze article here ...Of course you should post the Freeze article here Rory...it's uh...*your* blog. ;-) And it'll get read. So....Master Planhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14699687565908188376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-86816423006303504822009-01-17T18:20:00.000-08:002009-01-17T18:20:00.000-08:00I think Bob Orlando has the "sawing" thing as well...I think Bob Orlando has the "sawing" thing as well, called "hacksaw". Slightly different in variation.<BR/><BR/>It's an interesting aspect to the MA how it is that using a different "feeling" mentally will result in a significantly altered effect in terms of technique delivery. <BR/><BR/>Things like trying to "rapidly touch the target" instead of "hitting" it for instance.Master Planhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14699687565908188376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-56201132376247920332009-01-17T13:53:00.000-08:002009-01-17T13:53:00.000-08:00"What fascinated me is the number of times that I ..."What fascinated me is the number of times that I have see or used a very specific technique and seen that technique later in a karate kata. "<BR/><BR/>Part of this effect may be because there are only so many ways you can move, and the same physical movement applied to different positions of the opponent may have different results.<BR/><BR/>Another reason may be that someone, somewhere in history, wasn't told the real meaning of the technique.<BR/><BR/>Real gurus are likely to be able to sniff out people who are out for the money, or such people may have other unpleasant characteristics that result in them not receiving the whole system.<BR/><BR/>Then, these same unpleasant characteristics (pathological lying, exaggeration of ones' skills, cult-like practices) may very well result in the watered-down style proliferating.Stephen Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12561935944292699586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-55476974511385068962009-01-17T01:58:00.000-08:002009-01-17T01:58:00.000-08:00Ferran- there's a motion, I call it 'sawing' which...Ferran- there's a motion, I call it 'sawing' which could probably help with that. I've never sat to figure out why, but it seems to have a huge mechanical advantage. I don't know if I can describe it in writing. A structured push with your hand that slides the forearm (ulna side) against the part you want to affect. Or, example, you have the threat bent over and you are standing at his shoulder. A really strong threat can resist a push on the back of the head, but for some reason a sawing push across the back of the neck works very well.<BR/><BR/>Worg- I wish I was qualified to really talk about karate. I've dabbled, but that's it. What fascinated me is the number of times that I have see or used a very specific technique and seen that technique later in a karate kata. The motion, the body mechanics were exactly the same, but the karate instructor's explanation of the move was completely unrelated to what I saw. If I had the time and was in the right city (as opposed to a different continent) there are some guys in West Seattle I'd like to play with,(Hiroo, Kris- alright, Lawrence too. Don't pout).<BR/><BR/>Thanks, everybody.<BR/>BTW- given the notes on the last post, should I post the Freeze article here? It is relatively long.Roryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08483616030072739190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-91880206317704371122009-01-16T12:35:00.000-08:002009-01-16T12:35:00.000-08:00For some reason I am fascinated by karate.I can't ...For some reason I am fascinated by karate.<BR/><BR/>I can't bring myself to study it in a formal setting, because IMO the training methods are mired in medieval fighting traditions, and that doesn't work very well for me. But I think there's a great deal of great stuff in there. <BR/><BR/>I'd venture to say, further, that a lot of karate and TKD instructors, even at a fairly high level of skill, aren't aware of many of the applications that they're teaching. The bunkai they have for the movements may not be the "real" bunkai at all.<BR/><BR/>It would be great if you wanted to talk more about this subjectStephen Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12561935944292699586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-15644213063507412962009-01-16T07:56:00.000-08:002009-01-16T07:56:00.000-08:00One of my failing as a KJKB student is, precisely,...One of my failing as a KJKB student is, precisely, that I use too much wrist (I kind of try to 'snake around' Uke's limbs) and not enough forearm and extension in Chi sao-like exercises --and other places, granted--. At least in KJKB it would allow me to go from an "I control your attack" to an "I control you".<BR/><BR/>Be well.<BR/><BR/>FerranAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-74263393801858386122009-01-16T07:20:00.000-08:002009-01-16T07:20:00.000-08:00Ha! Wim beat me to the push hands comment. Also th...Ha! Wim beat me to the push hands comment. Also the first part, cross blocking to get outside while stepping in is something I've seen extensively (*I* can't *do* it personally mind you) in the Silat I'm (slowly) learning as well.<BR/><BR/>Also, as I'm sure you are very aware, lots of the Judo throws (at least as I was shown them) tended to involve control from\via the elbow as well. Ippon and morote seoinage both leap to mind. And Osoto Gari. And...<BR/><BR/>Funny how that works...things that are effective showing up over and over...Master Planhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14699687565908188376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-74648211898067863472009-01-16T03:58:00.000-08:002009-01-16T03:58:00.000-08:00In that last paragraph, you might just as well hav...In that last paragraph, you might just as well have been talking about pushing hands. :-)<BR/><BR/>In the style I do, the formal pushing hands drills place an enormous amount of attention to controlling the partner's wrist and elbow. But many practitioners seem to get lost in the body mechanics and don't focus enough on that. <BR/><BR/>When we do free-style pushing then, it tends to be a lot of fun when they can't control you. :-)<BR/><BR/>Great post Rory,<BR/><BR/>WimWebmasterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03248994833521462361noreply@blogger.com