tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post9065581720040534158..comments2024-03-28T03:31:42.278-07:00Comments on Chiron: The Call of the WildRoryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08483616030072739190noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-13197798029754611932009-04-05T14:43:00.000-07:002009-04-05T14:43:00.000-07:00Whenever I heard someone say violence never solved...Whenever I heard someone say violence never solved anything, i always figured they meant that it only created temporary things. If you try to influence someone through force and might, and you won't always be strong and mighty, someone else stronger is going to provide a new solution by kicking you in the teeth.<BR/><BR/>Violence obviously affects decisions and situations, but since its seen as legitimate in only very few instances (law enforcement, self-defence), people try to resist things that are made via violence. Better to appeal to something less transient than whose the biggest person in the room right now.Kamilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12216057008638038108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-41800433652984603622009-04-05T09:09:00.000-07:002009-04-05T09:09:00.000-07:00Yummm cookies....Yummm cookies....Travishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15353783271100674218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-66879395852386436662009-04-04T21:05:00.000-07:002009-04-04T21:05:00.000-07:00Drew-Thanks for the counter-counter examples. Also...Drew-<BR/>Thanks for the counter-counter examples. Also, ativan power. Seen it used and often wished...<BR/><BR/>James- Yeah. I used to believe that there was always a way to avoid force, I just didn't always have time to find it. I've backed that down to almost always. Some threats want to go there and you can talk them down if you find the hook; but a very few need to go there. Change them would involve a time machine.<BR/><BR/>EC- I'm 11 time zones away from my library. DM did have a specific word for the 'power to get things done' but I couldn't remember it. He used 'atavistic' as a way to say that it came from an earlier time, was something that we, as a species should have outgrown. It's also likely that atavistic has a specific meaning in anthropology slightly different from the biology definition. Not sure.Roryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08483616030072739190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-85708721316820906902009-04-03T23:26:00.000-07:002009-04-03T23:26:00.000-07:00Violence is a primal behavior...Violence is a primal behavior...Drew Rinellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04643051934872137743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-30238970368296922422009-04-03T13:13:00.000-07:002009-04-03T13:13:00.000-07:00So. The Three types of power referred to are:1. ...So. The Three types of power referred to are:<BR/>1. Social<BR/>2. The power to get things done (which should be better named, IMHO. Maybe something like affective power?)<BR/>3. Avastic Power<BR/><BR><BR/>I understand the other two but I'm having trouble understanding Desmond Morris' definition because of the definition of the word "atavistic" by itself. Websters.com defines it as:<BR><BR/><I>Relating to an inherited trait that reappears in an individual after being absent from a strain of organism for several generations. Atavistic traits were formerly thought to be throwbacks to ancestral types but are now known to be due to the inheritance of a pair of recessive genes.</I><BR/><BR/>Power is defined as:<I><BR/>The ability to do or act; capability of doing or accomplishing something.<BR/></I><BR/>If we combine the definitions from websters we get something like:<BR><BR/><BR/>The ability to do, act or accomplishing something from or using a trait that reappeared in an individual after that trait was thought absent.<BR/><BR/>So his definition is confusing me.<BR/><BR/>Why doesn't he just say violent power or something along those lines?<BR/><BR/>Or am I missing something?EChttp://www.elijahcarder.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-30604292782758550072009-04-03T09:49:00.000-07:002009-04-03T09:49:00.000-07:00Or avian power, where you just fly away ...Or avian power, where you just fly away ...Steve Perryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12079658447270792228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-31159821294207440942009-04-02T23:36:00.000-07:002009-04-02T23:36:00.000-07:00Wait... did you say atavistic power or ativan powe...Wait... did you say atavistic power or ativan power??? I've used the latter with great effectiveness.Drew Rinellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04643051934872137743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-89926530845853515402009-04-02T17:37:00.000-07:002009-04-02T17:37:00.000-07:00Interesting as usual, Rory. I've used atavistic po...Interesting as usual, Rory. I've used atavistic power regularly over the last 30 years but usually as a last resort. The threat of use, however, was always in the background. I tell rookies that, with very few exceptions, when things go physical, you've probably done something wrong. Taken a bad position, engaged in "monkey dancing" (my new favorite phrase), etc.. I then realized that I'd just previously told him 5 separate stories about instances where I'd choked someone out ( we were discussing that, although CJSTC recognizes the LVNR as a legitimate technique, many agencies (mine included) have moved it into the Deadly Force category. I don't think he got the irony. Oh, well.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14121086704006525841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-80307770149184474622009-04-02T09:46:00.000-07:002009-04-02T09:46:00.000-07:00The cookies from the dark side cause Darth-ness .....The cookies from the dark side cause Darth-ness ...Steve Perryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12079658447270792228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-89371224551407818532009-04-02T02:24:00.000-07:002009-04-02T02:24:00.000-07:00The cookies from the dark side cause diabetes.The cookies from the dark side cause diabetes.Mollyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13241218709688900676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-72182113225114541532009-04-01T23:08:00.000-07:002009-04-01T23:08:00.000-07:00The fear of violence can be so very subliminally a...The fear of violence can be so very subliminally applied that just becoming aware of it is an accomplishment, in my view. Once you are aware how fears of violence are shaping your decisions, you can consider making other choices.Jay Gischernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-70402283882870836022009-04-01T21:30:00.000-07:002009-04-01T21:30:00.000-07:00Rappers may create an image that they are violent,...Rappers may create an image that they are violent, or that they are thugs, but rarely is this the case. Snoop Dogg recently announced that he is quitting marihuana. Brotha Lynch may rap about eating "baby brains and baby veins and baby spines," but I am 99% sure he is not really a cannibal. <BR/><BR/>Dr. Dre raps about how he has "a lot more to lose than you" now that he is well established. Not quite the nothing-to-lose gangsta image you'd expect. So really the atavistic power they seem to hold would seem to be just a different iteration of social power, because the violence in their lives simply doesn't exist. And when it does (as in the case of P. Diddy, Eminem, or Mike Vick in pro sports, like you mentioned), they pay the price.Drew Rinellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04643051934872137743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-81029916995157373812009-04-01T18:08:00.000-07:002009-04-01T18:08:00.000-07:00Nice!Star Wars references are cool.Nice!<BR/>Star Wars references are cool.Elihttp://www.elijahcarder.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14473417.post-86028245927025396542009-04-01T09:45:00.000-07:002009-04-01T09:45:00.000-07:00That's how you get to be a Jedi, you know. By hear...That's how you get to be a Jedi, you know. By hearing the seductive voice of the dark side telling you that the ends always justify the means ... and resisting the call. <BR/><BR/>"With great power comes great responsibility." <BR/> <BR/> Spider-ManSteve Perryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12079658447270792228noreply@blogger.com