Tuesday, January 08, 2013

Teaching Adults

Adam e-mailed with a suggestion on what to teach, which sent my brain into a completely different tangent.  I'll try to avoid the Myers-Briggs references too much.

The suggestion was good and it's definitely on the table, but what intrigued me is that Adam and I are both fairly rare MB types.  He felt that my communication style was very helpful.  The money quote:

"For example, it is more effective to tell me what striking is and what it is useful for and then show me how to punch; it is much less effective to start by showing me how to make a proper fist."

I don't think this is an INTJ/P thing.  This is an adult thing.

Some of the tenets of adult education versus childhood education are:

  • In order to interest an adult, you must show the adult the value in the lesson
  • You must tie in what you are teaching with what the adults already know
  • You just fit the new information into the world that the adult lives in
  • It is better to use the adult's current skill and knowledge as a jump board
This is different with kids.  Kids don't know very much.  They can be smart but rarely knowledgable, some have memorized facts but few understand context.  So for the most part, we can skip these bullet points.  If you tried to explain to a four year old the value of symbolic communication, he or she simply wouldn't get it, nor see the connection between that and learning the alphabet song.  Small children don't sometimes know enough to tie things together, like the relationship between drawing letters and listening to songs.  The third point we don't skip, but we do adapt it to the kid's limited world and so they learn the alphabet in the context of a song and not an indexing system.  Lastly, small children rarely have relevant skills and knowledge to build from.

So we teach them their abc's and the alphabet song and then how to draw letters and then simple words that we attach to pictures.  It's a painstaking way to learn from zero to a level of skill.

The equivalent kid way is to teach how to form a fist.  Then the proper way to strike.  And things sometimes go bad in this martial process when proper=pretty and (to stretch the metaphor to breaking) the students believe they are learning critical writing when in fact they are only learning calligraphy.

With adults, treating them like children ("Do it in this order and do not ask questions.") doesn't work that well.  Personally I find it profoundly disrespectful.

You start with problems and goals, parameters. There are bad people in the world.  You want them to NOT affect your life.  You want to do that with minimal bad effects.

You tie that into what they know-- all relatively athletic people know how to move and what hurts.  they never go up on their toes when they are trying to push a car.  They do go up on their toes when they need speed.  You can show them that they already know structure and whip.

At it's simplest, when things go physical, the goal is to get kinetic energy into the bad guy. And so they learn to strike.

And to do so with minimal damage to yourself, since every action has an equal and opposite reaction. And so they learn to make a fist.  As something they need and want to know, because they see the use in their own world.

Thanks, Adam, for getting me thinking.


Anonymous said...

Years ago I attended and have a nifty plaque from the National Safety Council. With adult learning you have to get them to tune into WIIFM - What's In It For Me. If you can answer that - they will learn it.

another INTJ, but an even rarer one.

Unknown said...

One more vote for the INTJs.

Jim said...

Now you got me thinking on teaching and how to teach...

Gotta dig up my Instructor Development course material. I think I've missed something that I need to rediscover.

Kathryn Scannell said...

This is great. You've just nailed what's wrong with 90% of the computer books I pick up. They all start with the assumption that you know nothing, and have no skills to leverage.

Jake said...

Yeah, this is one of my biggest beefs with a lot of modern martial arts instruction--it's taught to children and adults in the same fashion. Usually the model for children is just slapped onto the one for adults.

I have a whole long list of ways I'd like to change that, and how I'd like to teach in my own environment. Martial arts for adults ought to be for, well, adults.

Charles James said...

Outstanding, thanks!

nry said...

A further INTJ vote...by all accounts, under pressure, I move to ENTJ, the scores were very close! Interesting take on adults vs. kids, one to add to my list of 'differences' :)

Anonymous said...

OK, I teach kids and all of the adult stuff works for kids. Each of those four points works for kids as well. The thing with kids is you create the background knowledge with them. The ABC song is an apt example, but that's not really teaching them their ABC's. It's teaching them a song. Once the song is in place, you tie it to the symbols and the symbols to sounds. All the while, you have to make it clear to them that they are eventually going to learn to read and write, because that song gets old after a while. (kind of like punching or push-ups or adrenaline drills.) I appreciate the point about teaching adults, but kids who are taught without those same principles are not likely to learn very much. There are plenty of people who can sing the song who can't read.


Steve Perry said...


Nah, you're a Winter ...

Narda said...

Another INTJ.


Good post. I read (somwhere) that a karate teacher said you teach adults different. Kids, you show. Adults...you have to go through their head and it takes longer/is harder.